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Old 05-18-2017, 08:46 PM   #1801
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that's quite interesting... I know I have a bias to hate Trump/GOP in general, but man... I really can't imagine anyone not seeing the writing on the wall at this point
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:58 PM   #1802
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Guess I'll watch that video later, but a summary for 30 minutes would have been nice

I'd also like to point out that we could use some eyes on Chaffetz

A head in a major committee has decided to not run for reelection, and now to quit early.

Both of those are timed closely to major negative trump announcements

He has no indication of running for state governor or doing anything else

He was merciless on Hillary, though seemed way less partisan before that

James Comey did not write a public letter when he reopened the Hilary investigation. He wrote a private one, and Chaffetz decided to post it on twitter

Seriously, can we get some fucking eyes on this guy? He either has a teriminal disease or is up to something.

There are many rumors about him being paid off. And of course, let's not forget that he just requested everything Comey has on Trump.

Links for proof

Possible explanation

https://www.palmerreport.com/opinion...st-month/2751/

Timeline

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkpr...p/e9fff5359102
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:22 PM   #1803
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Guess I'll watch that video later, but a summary for 30 minutes would have been nice]
Comey has long been unhappy with Trump's level of friendliness towards him, Trump doesn't get that President is not supposed to be buddies with people that are in charge of investigating federal matters.

Comey felt bad about how things went down in regards to Hillary/Election/Emails

Comey wanted to remain as hands off as possible, as a result of how that went down and yet Trump doesn't seem to understand that could possibly be an issue

Confirms that Trump asked for loyalty pledge.
Confirms that Trump asked for Comey to drop investigation on Flynn.

Trump is unfit to run this country. Maybe he's corrupt. Maybe he's stupid. Maybe some of both. Any way you slice it, he's a shitty POTUS.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:44 PM   #1804
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Reading links on that Palmer Report site I can see how people get sucked into conspiracy theories. I especially like the one about Jared Kushner intentionally giving bad advice to get Trump out of the way.

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Old 05-19-2017, 05:09 AM   #1805
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I don't know why everyone is calling for impeachment. If your beliefs leans left you want Trump to serve out his term and likely lose in 2020. You impeach the guy in his first year and you'll have a ton of moderate republicans fall back into party lines. An incumbent Pence has a decent shot of getting reelected.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:37 AM   #1806
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I don't know why everyone is calling for impeachment. If your beliefs leans left you want Trump to serve out his term and likely lose in 2020. You impeach the guy in his first year and you'll have a ton of moderate republicans fall back into party lines. An incumbent Pence has a decent shot of getting reelected.
Overall, it's less about party overall and more about the specific person for me.


I think that moderate republicans would face a ton more difficulty getting re-elected in 2018 if they tried to fall back into party lines instead of moving with the natural flow of the left upswing that would occur after a successful impeachment.

However --- barring conclusive and undeniable evidence of massive wrongdoing (PLZ!), impeachment itself is likely not even feasible until a post-2018 non-GOP controlled Congress.

That said, moving towards an impeachment in 2017 means it will be at the forefront of 2018 elections, which means that if Dem voters really mobilize, they could take Congress back handily and push for impeachment at that point.

Two-ish years of Pence in a Dem controlled Congress, with a Trump impeachment fresh in the minds of voters would have to present a serious problem for 2020 GOP re-election chances.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:27 AM   #1807
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Yeah... you don't fuck with the presidency on this level.

This isn't like intentionally tanking for a #1 draft pick.
Trump is actially bad for the country.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:09 AM   #1808
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Comey has long been unhappy with Trump's level of friendliness towards him, Trump doesn't get that President is not supposed to be buddies with people that are in charge of investigating federal matters.

Comey felt bad about how things went down in regards to Hillary/Election/Emails

Comey wanted to remain as hands off as possible, as a result of how that went down and yet Trump doesn't seem to understand that could possibly be an issue

Confirms that Trump asked for loyalty pledge.
Confirms that Trump asked for Comey to drop investigation on Flynn.

Trump is unfit to run this country. Maybe he's corrupt. Maybe he's stupid. Maybe some of both. Any way you slice it, he's a shitty POTUS.
Comey is 6' 8" and a pretty solid basketball player. He repeatedly told people he would NEVER play basketball with Obama because it would appear unseemly for an FBI Director to be around the POTUS.

Then Trump called him to his table and demanded a loyalty pledge like a fucking mafia don.

But here's the best part: Even if we do get rid of Trump we get fucking Pence! (unless the fire leads to him, but I think we're going to spend all our political and justice capital [and attention] on getting Trump ousted)

Either way, we're fucked for another 3 years and 8 months. We either have an imbecile or someone who goes to Medieval Times for dinner and thinks, "yeah, this is good - we should have this all the time, everywhere."
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:32 AM   #1809
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But here's the best part: Even if we do get rid of Trump we get fucking Pence! (unless the fire leads to him, but I think we're going to spend all our political and justice capital [and attention] on getting Trump ousted)

Either way, we're fucked for another 3 years and 8 months.
I don't expect the direction of the policies to change, but as previously stated it would come from a weakened position. Impeding Pence like the Republican Congress impeded Obama is still significant. Plus, there's some question as to how much of Trump's base Pence could retain. Not even considering the fallout from an actual impeachment, but Trump had the whole cult of personality thing going for him while Pence appears to be widely disliked even in his home state.
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